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#94217

Re: Farmas USA

Dentro de mí Ignorancia, o la vacuna vale y pasa la fase III o no vale , y no la pasa, que es lo sucedido. Aquí , no hay medias tintas , no?.... con lo cual , creo que es más útil y enriquecedor para todos, sobre todo los que como yo , somos unos neófilos en la materia, en centrar las posibilidades que tiene NVAX con su tecnología en reflotar ....a lamentarnos y justificar las posibles causas del desastre, ya que mucho me temo , de que realmente nunca las llegaremos a conocer.
Todas las opiniones + sobre NVAX serán bien venidas, las - a día de hoy, entiendo que poco nos aportan ,😉

#94218

Re: Farmas USA

Una curiosidad, yo pensaba que el protocolo siempre lo daba el sponsor, que la CRO solo se limitaba a recoger datos, los análisis estadísticos, (que no es poco por supuesto)elaboración de los carpetones etc.. y que siempre al estar cegados los datos no queda otra que el encargado de hacer los ensayos sea por cojones siempre una CRO si no las fármaceuticas tendrían acceso a los datos casi a tiempo real.

Que descanses Triskis y despejes la mente

#94219

Re: Farmas USA

NVAX
Sí, claro. Por eso precisamente estoy analizando con todo el detalle que puedo los posibles motivos del fallo. Que tampoco es que me sobren ganas de seguir mirando la bicha demasiado después del otro día, pero no queda más remedio; hay que hacer de tripas corazón.

Es decir, no es lamentarse del desastre, sino ver qué falló para saber si la vacuna puede funcionar o realmente vale lo mismo que un azucarillo. Porque que no cumplió los objetivos está claro, pero lo que hay que saber es si es por fallo del estudio, de la vacuna o de otra circunstancia.

#94220

Re: Farmas USA

Que va..las CROs ofrecen todos los servicios, desde redacción del protocolo hasta entrega del clínical study report. Quintiles incluso hace outsourcing de Medical scientific liasons y visitadores médicos.
Incluso he visto algún caso puntual que te dan el desarrollo completo de la molécula aunque es verdad que en la mayoría de los casos el promotor escribe el protocolo y solo nos pide feedback por si tiene posibilidad de alguna mejora.
En el caso de las farmas, yo he estado 8 años en una japonesa relativamente grande (la 18 a nivel mundial) y no externalizabamos nada. Teníamos procedimientos internos para no desvelar el ciego y no poder ver datos en abierto.

Ahora sí, intentaré no leeros en una semana, ese es mi objetivo chicos. Pasadlo bien y ganar mucha pastuki 😜

#94221

Re: Farmas USA

NVAX

Novavax's Erck said Friday the company's observations were based on publicly available surveillance data, which he said focuses on children rather than older adults.

"Only after the unblinding of our data did we know the attack rate in older adults this season and our data indicates the pediatric surveillance data does not relate to the older adult population," Erck said in an email through a spokesman. "Our attack rate data from this trial clearly indicates that this season was an outlier and that is certainly something we need to look into further."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/16/heres-why-its-been-really-hard-to-develop-a-vaccine-for-rsv.html

«Después de nada, o después de todo/ supe que todo no era más que nada.»

#94222

Re: Farmas USA

NVAX
Bioinvest, están como nosotros, que no saben qué ha podido fallar...

MTSL:
Breaking News (Issued shortly after the 5:00 PM Thursday NVAX call)

BIOINVEST BREAKING NEWS – Special Update – NVAX – Despite Nine Positive Trials With The RSV Vaccine, RESOLVE Is a Failure – In a major, unexpected failure, the highly-anticipated Phase III trial, RESOLVE study, testing NVAX’ heralded RSV F-protein vaccine was unsuccessful. The Phase III trial in 11,856 older adults (60 years of age and older), did not meet the pre-specified primary or the secondary efficacy objectives, and did not demonstrate vaccine efficacy.

Phase 3 Resolve Trial – The trial was a randomized, observer-blinded, placebo-controlled trial conducted at 60 sites in the United States. The primary objective of the Resolve trial was to demonstrate efficacy in the prevention of moderate-severe RSV-associated lower respiratory tract disease (RSV msLRTD), as defined by the presence of multiple lower respiratory tract symptoms. The secondary objective of the trial was to demonstrate efficacy of the RSV F Vaccine in reducing the incidence of all symptomatic respiratory disease due to RSV (RSV ARD). Finally, the trial also evaluated the safety of the unadjuvanted, 135 microgram dose of the RSV F Vaccine compared to placebo.

Summary of Primary and Secondary Objectives – Vaccine Efficacy
Number of Participants - ITT Population (11,856)
Primary and Secondary
Objectives Placebo
(5,935) Vaccine
(5,921) Vaccine
Efficacy (CI) P-Value
Primary: RSV msLRTD, N(%) 26 (0.44%) 28 (0.47%) -7.9 % (-84, 37) 0.78
Secondary: RSV ARD, N(%) 117 (1.97%) 102 (1.72%) 12.6 % (-14, 33) 0.32

What The Blank (F) Happened? With the RSV vaccine and placebo efficacy appearing similar (see table above), after nine successful Phase I and II studies showing strong and consistent immunogenicity (especially compared with MedImmune’s Synagis) one has to scratch their head as to why the study was such a disaster.

Management did their best to suggest some reasons for the outcome (weak season, changes in vaccine itself), but unfortunately both arms performed equally and therefore, the results may not be able to be explained by some unexpected event. Maybe F-protein immunogenicity alone does not necessarily correlate to clinical outcome – despite the favorable comparison to Synagis (and that is what got Synagis approved).

a) Weak RSV Season – The attack rate for the Phase III primary objective was ~25% of that observed in Phase II trial. Historically, annual seasonal RSV ARD attack rates between 3% and 7% have been observed in older adults. In the Phase II trial, the RSV ARD attack rate was 4.9% and an RSV msLRTD attack rate was 1.8%.

In contrast, NVAX observed an RSV ARD attack rate of 2.0% and an msLRTD attack rate of 0.4% in the RESOLVE trial.

These attack rates indicate a mild RSV season in older adults this year, and one of the lowest ever recorded.

That by itself does not change the equivalent results. With the input on trial design from the FDA (as well as Fast Track designation), management believed the bar for RESOLVE was actually lower than that of the Phase II study.

It's so hard to see why or how this trial failed.

b) Phase 2 Rollover Trial – Novavax also reported topline results from the Phase II rollover clinical trial of its RSV F Vaccine in older adults. The trial was a randomized, observer-blinded, placebo-controlled rollover trial that enrolled 1,329 older adults from the prior Phase II trial, conducted at the same 10 sites in the United States.

The rollover trial demonstrated immunogenicity in all active vaccine recipients. The event rate comparisons made to either placebo groups suggested that the second season immunization was protective, even in a year with a very low attack rate.

This is a little more promising and also conflicts somewhat with the Phase III study results. Further understanding of these data may come with full evaluation of the immune responses.

c) Next Steps Hard To Predict – With the preponderance of 9 positive studies and consistently robust immune responses, management believes there is still hope for the RSV vaccine.

They do not believe that their technology does not work.

The did not see any difference with this season’s vaccine than last year (e.g., micronutrients, antibodies, etc.)

There are other vaccines in the pipeline (e.g. flu and pandemic flu, Zika, MERS), and the new nanotechnology of the flu vaccine will start next year. Preclinical data is impressive but its still an early stage program. They will have to consider the combination “respiratory” vaccine studies also based on the RESOLVE study results.

However, the value of this Company was rightfully based on the RSV vaccine. They will update investors at the upcoming October 11 analyst meeting in NYC.

d) $300+ Million In Cash But Debt Too – There are 7 years left on the debt (~$330 million due 2023) and most likely the burn rate will drop.

Conclusion – Tough To Do This, But Must Move To Hold – This negative data is a huge shock to us (and we’re certain to the Company as well). We have followed the journey of this program for more than 3 ½ years. The last few months have included execution and preparation on a Big Pharma/Bio level. The Company has hired leaders in various fields (mfg, regulatory, medical affairs, etc., and the majority of the successful Synagis team).

More info on the potential paths forward for the RSV vaccine and the remainder of the pipeline will be available at the upcoming analyst meeting October 11th.

With little information regarding the potential paths forward for the vaccine candidate it is hard to assign significant value to the program at this point. After the market, the stock is trading at ~$1.40 which is just above the cash levels – suggesting little hope going forward.

However, based on the RESOLVE data (not even a trend), we are moving NVAX to a HOLD until we can decipher the next steps and maybe understand what exactly went wrong. NVAX is now a HOLD."

#94223

Re: Farmas USA

NVAX
No se como será en USA, supongo que igual que aquí. En España, los ingresos en UCI de personas adultas y mayores por RSV, son muy pocas. Donde esta el grueso de los contagios y donde estaría el verdadero negocio es en neonatos y niños pequeños. Los ingresos en UCI pediátrica por RSV si es muy elevada.

#94224

Re: Farmas USA

Magura, es muy importante saber por donde pueden ir los tiros, sobre todo si no has vendido aún. Hay mucha diferencia en como puede moverse el stock antes y después del día 11, si el día del investor meeting dicen que la vacuna no funciona o si dicen que puede deberse a un mal diseño y ejecución del fase 3.
Por lo que tanto as malas como las buenas opiniones son bienvenidas, siempre que aporten algo a dar luz y no sean discusiones sin sentido. Sobre todo les interesa a los que siguen dentro del stock para tomar decisiones.
Aportando mas datos puramente especulativos, añado la ultima info que me responden de hub sobre el attack rate tan bajo:
NVAX, more guessing

>How do you explain a mere 1'8% attack rate in the phase 3 placebo group?

no idea... I am not an epidemiologist, but I recall that RSV is so infectious that actually "everybody" gets it sooner or later within the season. I am still not an epidemiologist ;), but thats why I don't think the immunization of only 50% would save the other half of the population (for less contagious diseases perhaps that would suffice, but my gut feeling says no for RSV).

If I apply more guessing: perhaps NVAX was too late? I have the impression that enrollment happened when the RSV season might have already started. Enrollment in ph2 started one month later than ph3, although ending around the same time.
I'm not an immunologist either, this gives me questions myself: When within the RSV season does the infection of the most vulnerable happen? How does RSV season 2014/15 to 2015/16 compare for each of the trial sites (http://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/nrevss/rsv/state.html does not have some historical view and archive.org does not have the complete picture, maybe a good opportunity to donate)?

Anyway, the more pressing question for NVAX is not doing a fast repeat, but surviving itself. After some quick glance they should have about 290mn cash at end of september but had 80mn cash burn each qtr. Besides nasty questions about the trial they will be grilled at their investor day about cost cuts and further plans. The very most positive thing that could happen IMHO would be some partnering/an outlicensing of the RSV-F, maybe only for some regions, maybe only for some indications (elderly?). But this would require some good explanation.

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